Thursday, June 25, 2009

God the Father.

Vagon, in his latest failed attempt to prove this argument falls victim to reductio ad absurdem brings up a very common misconception about Allah and God. I stated in the conclusion of my argument the following;

The demand for scientific evidence of God is a self defeating one, the lack of scientific evidence for God is actually evidence of His existence.


Vagon, asserts my argument is a victim to reductio ad absurdum by asserting the following;

"The demand for scientific evidence of Allah, praise be to him, is a self defeating one, the lack of scientific evidence for Allah, praise be to him, is actually evidence of his existence."


In actuality, my argument does not fall victim to reductio ad absurdum, but rather Vagon falls victim to a common misconception about Allah, which leads me to my initial point.

Abraham had 2 children, Issac and Ishmael. Issac is considered the ancestor of the Jewish people.

Sarah bore Abraham a son, Isaac (in Hebrew, Yitzchak), a name derived from the word "laughter," expressing Abraham's joy at having a son in his old age. (Gen 17-18). Isaac was the ancestor of the Jewish people.


While Ishmael is considered the ancestor of the Arabs.

Both Jewish and Islamic traditions consider Ishmael as the ancestor of northern Arab people


This ancestry is significant because both Jews and Arabs beleive and worship the same God as their father Abraham.

Arabs:

According to Francis Edwards Peters, "The Qur'an insists, Muslims believe, and historians affirm that Muhammad and his followers worship the same God as the Jews [see Qur'an 29:46]. The Quran's Allah is the same Creator God who covenanted with Abraham". Peters states that the Qur'an portrays Allah as both more powerful and more remote than Yahweh, and as a universal deity, unlike Yahweh who closely follows Israelites.[9] According to Encyclopedia Britannica (see also the following section for comparison between God's love in Islam and Christianity)


While the Jews and Christians obviously maintain that they worship the same God as their Abraham, due to their entire religion being based upon the Torah while the Christians entire religion is based upon the bible. Thus while there are differences and disagreements between the 3 groups, there is no doubt that each group worships the same God, the biggest difference and disagreement among the three religions is Jesus is. It is quite a common misconception(made by Christians and skeptics alike) that Allah is not the same God as Jehovah or God the Father. The main point being that when skeptics appeal to Allah in ways similar to Vagon, they are falling victim to a common misconception.

Counter punches: BUT TD!!! IF MUSLIMS WORSHIP THE SAME GOD YOU DO THEN THEY GET TO GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT JESUS RIGHT?!???!!!
Not only is this beside the point, it is outstandingly incorrect, Jews worship the same God we do as well, but they like Muslims must accept Jesus as their Savior as well.

BUT TD!!! HOW DO YOU KNOW WHICH VERSION IS RIGHT??!!!! THREE DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE SAME GOD?! LOL!! YOU HAVE A ONE AND THREE CHANCE OF GETTING IT RIGHT LOL!!! HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE?!?!!!!
Also beside the point of this thread, but it is a great question and is one that is too complex to cover here and must be saved for a later post. As it stands, this argument has been going on for centuries, and as I said, the main difference and disagreement between the three is who Jesus is(which, in a very poetic sense, suggests what the truth is).