Theo, were did I say God created the world evil? Please show me quote. This is the straw man. I never said "created the world evil" I said created a world with evil in it. Please for the sake of Christ show me were I said "God created the world evil." I said god created natural evils in the world, but that's not the same thing.
Now you're trying to change the word 'the' with the word 'a' as if that changes anything. It doesn't. We're talking about one world and one world only, which is THIS WORLD. So in this sense, the word 'the' and the word 'a' are synonomous since they both refer to the same thing. With that being said, the following quote should suffice.
Creating a world with evil is not "the good".
In this quote he even says evil was instantly present.
God created the world. The world has evil in it. God created the world with evil in it, even it was instantly present,
You say I have changed my stance 7 times, but you if you read the 7 quotes it's obvious that they all say the same thing... So what are you on about?
This is just funny!
This quote:
1. No no no. God is morally obligated to do the good. Creating a world with evil is not "the good". Even a 2 year old can see that, right?
Is obviously not the same as this quote:
2. All fine and good, and not really addressing my point. The question is this: Why is there evil in the world and were did it come from?Why is there evil in the world and were did it come from?
Which is obviously not the same as this quote:
3. if god created a world with the potential for evil, a created a world with evil in it.
Another stupid assertion from Aaron.
God created a world with evil in it. That's a tautology, it's absolutely true. An argument from a bible verses is not a logical argument, specially if the evidence of existence proves the opposite.
God did not create a world with evil in it, God created a world with no evil in it and allowed evil to come into existence. Back to your old assertions again I see. An argument from a bible verse is a logical argument, especially in this case since you're arguing against my God whose characteristics and actions are found within those bible verses. The evidence of existence does not prove the opposite, in fact, the evidence of existence proves that God allows a world with evil, He did not create it. God creating the world all good at 10:00 knowing that evil will come into existence at 11:00 still means the world was good at 10:00. God did not create the world at 11:00, since it was already created at 10:00.
Why don't you address supralapsarianism? Are you scared?
I did address it, I said it was largely irrelevant to the argument at hand and it is.
Premise 3 admits my argument, and is my point. Right now, it is not the GPG. Lowering the GPG is going against the will of God as far as I can see. When all is said and done, billions of creations will be in hell, and trillions more will have suffered through life. How is that the GPG?
Then you are being logically inconsistent. What part of that do you not understand? You say God created a world that has evil in it because of #3. Going by that logic, God created the world with the GPG because of #1 and #2 and #4. You cannot have it both ways. Either God created the world with evil in it based upon #3 or God created the world with the GPG based upon 1,2 and 4.
Secondly, you are once again ASSUMING that lowering the GPG is going against the will of God, just like you ASSUME that Gods existence and 'all goodness' is dependent upon God choosing the GPG, just like you ASSUME that God is obligated in some way shape or form to choose the GPG. You are begging the question. You need to either provide evidence for these ridiculous assumptions or shut up about it.
BTW if that is supposed to be a syllogism it is neither sound nor valid. The conclusion doesn't follow logically from the premises. I am not sure what you are trying to assert with those 4 points.
it wasn't supposed to be a syllogism you ignorant moron.
Theo, you don't express yourself in a way that I can clearly understand. If you spent less time telling me I was illogical, and spent more time demonstrating it, perhaps I would understand what you are trying to say. But you don't, and I can't.
The irony of the first statement is hilarious, since Aaron is the one that is constantly changing what his point is.
Try this, remove the personal insults and just tell me what you actually mean. It will be much better for both of us.
No, the insults will remain as long as you continue to constantly change your points, ignore my questions and points, and refuse to concede your mistakes. You've read the rules you half wit, around here you get treated how you treat others.
What? God didn't place us in the world then?
Let me give you an example. I lock you in a room with a lion, a tiger and a bear. I also put parasites in the water and infectious disease in the air. Would I morally culpable for your death? Certainly from a legal stand point I would.
How is this analogy any different from God placing us in a world with natural evil, with the exception of size and scope?
You're an idiot. That is one of the stupidest comparisons I've seen in my life. First off, there are multiple rooms, thousands of rooms, rooms without lions, tigers or bears, diseases or parasites. Secondly, no one is locking people in there, as you have the option to go to whatever room you want to go to. Third God has not only provided ample ways to both get out of the room and avoid any dangers one might find themselves in if they were in the wrong room but your fellow man has as well. So people have the means and will to both leave the room or survive and even make life good in the rooms they might not initially like. It is the equivalent to blaming a 4 star general for the death of a soldier despite the soldier had both the tools to survive and used his own free will to get him into the situation in the first place, knowing full well the dangers of the situation. Exactly the kind of stupidity I've come to expect from you. Finally, in regards to your stupid comment about legal stand points, you once again show ignorance in basic Christian theology. God is not subject to our morals or our legal system. Try again. What moral system or code that God is subject to did God break?
If one of your family members dies of cancer and you going to say it's their fault for being alive? Are you going to say that the millions of people who suffered from leprosy deserved it for contracting it? Will you say that the millions who died of the black plague deserved it for living were they did died?
I don't even know what on earth these questions have to do with anything? seriously. What is the point of these questions, where on earth have I said people who suffered from leprosy deserved it for contracting it? what are you saying? Why don't you make your point in a clear manner instead of asking vague questions?
Will you ever address my claims in a fair way with out distorting my arguments?
Pot, kettle, black. Not only that but I have been addressing them in a fair way without distorting them, you either need to be more clear or admit that you've got nothing and you're only changing up your points because you don't want to admit you're wrong.
How can you be absolutely sure of any knowledge? Absolute sureness of knowledge is the greatest sign of ignorance, self deception and close mindedness. You are a paragon of this Theo, which is why I get such a laugh out of you.
Get your stupid, ignorant, poor attempts at proverbs outta here, not only are you once again assuming that I am absolutely sure of any knowledge but if one were to concede your stupid assertion makes sense, I anyone asserting 2+2=4 or the earth revolves around the sun is ignorant, self deceptive and close minded.
