if god created a world with the potential for evil, a created a world with evil in it.
Aaron is confusing potential with actual, trying to make antonyms synonymous. A quick look at the dictionary reveals his ignorance.
1. possible, as opposed to actual: the potential uses of nuclear energy.
2. capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety.
3. Grammar. expressing possibility: the potential subjunctive in Latin; the potential use of can in I can go.
4. Archaic. potent 1 .
5. possibility; potentiality: an investment that has little growth potential.
6. a latent excellence or ability that may or may not be developed.
Aaron seems to think that creating something with the possibility of it being evil some time in the future is actually creating evil in the present tense of creation. It isn't. Why? well aside from the fact that the word Potential is opposed to the word ACTUAL and thus the 2 cannot be synonymous, in fact, they are antonyms.
Not only do the very definition of the words refute Aarons ridiculous assertion, simple logic does as well. God created everything good on the 6th day with the potential of it being evil some time in the future, by definition of the world potential, the evil is nonexistent at the time of creation. It must be, since at the time of creation, the evil was only a POSSIBILITY, or there was only POTENTIAL for evil, so it wasn't even in existence yet. Possible evil cannot happen in during the actual act of creation, by definition it must happen after the actual creation taking place, thus during creation, potential evil is just that, a potential, it is not existent during the actual creation, since it is a potential evil in the future, not an actual evil. Aaron is not only ignoring the fact that the first evil act didn't happen until Adam and Eve disobeyed God, but is also ignoring the fact that the 2 words hes using are antonyms. He simply cannot find an example of evil during the creation process, which is why he has retreated to POTENTIAL evil or POSSIBLE EVIL, but even that doesn't get him anywhere, by retreating to potential and possible evil, he has tacitly conceded that there was no actual evil present during the creation process, so he's already conceded this argument. He's just too ignorant to realize it.
He goes on to assert more nonsense:
No you are changing the goalposts. A world with free will, at least according to christians, is a world that contains evil. I am not saying god made the evil, I am saying he made a flawed world with the capacity and actuality of evil.
Incorrect on all 3 counts. First, I never changed the goalposts, in fact how on earth could I? I've been responding to his ridiculous assertions the entire time so how could I be moving the goal posts this is just another baseless assertion from Aaron, however, we have proof that Aaron is moving the goalposts(see end of post). Second, a world with free will is not a world that contains evil. Adam and Eve both had free will before they ate the fruit and God described it as good, in fact, various Christians assert that heaven not only has free will but it is a world that contains no evil(heaven duh), even the heavily fundamental Christians of rapture ready recognizes this. Third, God did not make a flawed world with the capacity or actuality of evil. Aaron simply does not realize that free will is not a flaw in that it is designed to do what God wanted it to do and it was perfect in that sense. God wanted people with free will, so God gave them free will, thus free will is not a flaw, since it was and still is, functioning as it is designed to do. The fact that it allows the possibility of evil is irrelevant, since upon creation, there was no evil present, since the word possibility is not synonymous with actual. Even if one were to concede that free will is a flaw, so what? the word flaw does not = evil, it is not even synonymous with evil, thus God created something with a flaw does not mean God has created anything evil. Nowhere in any dictionary, merrium webster, oxford, dictionary.com, wiki, does it state evil is synonymous with flawed. Not only that, but how on earth are you even using the word 'capacity'
Another stupid assertion:
So man, with "his" freewill brings about parasites, disease and natural disasters? Your saying god didn't create all these things? God did not create lions with sharp claws, crocodiles with teeth meant to maim, and snakes with poisonous blood?
This is entirely dependent upon what the Christian believes about the origins of life. YEC's obviously don't believe in death before the fall, so lions and alligators and parasites, etc. etc. were either non existent or eating plants. Depending upon what type of OEC one is, they either believe the original animal was created without 'sharp claws' etc. etc. and developed them later after sin was introduced into the world, thus it is not a problem for them, or that animals eating each other is no more evil than people eating plants, all part of the design of the food chain and animal kingdom. As far as natural disasters go, that is simply nonsense. There can't be a natural disaster if no one or noting is around to die from it, and disease came about because man brought sin into the world. So this is just more ignorance of Christian theology on Aarons part.
His last refuge is right here:
God makes the world, it is perfect and with out sin or evil, and only God and his creations exist were then does evil come from? If Theo wants to say that man brought evil to the world from their free will, then he has to admit that God made a world were evil was possible, thus the world was not "all good" when created, it had a flaw that allowed for evil.
This is him once again trying to make antonyms synonymous. The potential or possibility for/of future evil is not evil at the present, since potential is nonexistent at the actual point of creation. Pre fall Adam and Eve with their free will were good, since they had not committed any evil acts yet, the potential and possibility for evil was there, but the evil itself was non existent until it they actually did evil, thus, at the time of creation, no evil existed at all, it couldn't since it was only a potential and it didn't happen until post creation.
Finally, we will reveal all of his general errors.
Now it is kind of fun to notice how Theo interacts with those who disagree with him, asking if they are either illiterate or deaf, he is no stranger to the ad hominem, and I think it's cute in a very simple minded way. But I digress.
Completely incorrect. There are people here and elsewhere that disagree with me and I do not call them illiterate or deaf, examples of this can be found throughout the blog. Also, I have engaged in no ad hominem. Aaron is ignorant of what an ad hominem is, for one to engage in a fallacy one must make an argument. An insult(which is what I've been doing to him) is not an arguement, thus it cannot be a fallacy, thus it cannot be an ad hominem.
What does Theo mean when he says this? A while back Theo used the example of building a laptop. His example went like this "6 months ago I built a laptop, when I finished building it, it was perfect. Now the laptop has viruses on it. I (the laptop creator) didn't put the viruses on it."
He is quote mining me, taking my analogy I gave completely out of context. I explained this on YT and in the thread I gave the analogy. The analogy was used because of he constantly kept repeating the same assertion God created the world evil, over and over and over like he is still doing. The analogy was created to simply show him the difference between creation and POST CREATION, and that is it. He is simply taking the analogy completely out of context into something the analogy was never created for. Look at the following example:
"The camera is like an eye, they both have lenses." That analogy was for the purposes of illustrating the fact that both camera and the eye has a lens. Now if someone were to say the following "WELL THE CAMERA IS MADE OF METAL AND PLASTIC AND THE EYE IS NOT!!" this is true, but that is not what the analogy was meant to convey, thus it is a quote mine, since the analogy was designed for a single purpose and that is it. The fact is, ALL ANALOGIES BREAK DOWN AT SOME POINT! if they didn't then they would be identical and not analogies.
I suspect Theo will assume I am trying to argue that God created evil; I am not. I am simply saying that this world was flawed from the beginning and any attempt to say otherwise is foolish and bullheadedly ignorant.
Gee, why would I suspect that? Let's take a look at this assertions:
1. Creating a world with evil is not "the good".
3.god must necessarily create a world with evil
Not only that, but the world was not flawed from the beginning. Potential/possible future evil does not exist during the actual moment of creation and I have yet to figure out how you're using the world 'capacity'.
Oh ya, can't forget about him moving the goal posts:
No no no. God is morally obligated to do the good. Creating a world with evil is not "the good".
I refute that assertion and he then states:
All fine and good, and not really addressing my point.
The question is this: Why is there evil in the world and were did it come from?
So he moved the goalposts. The 'goal' was set to his initial assertion that God created a world without evil. I met that 'goal' and refuted it and now he has moved the new goal to a completely different question that was never asked before. Classic example of moving the goalposts.
Conclusion: looking forward to him once again claiming 'I've missed the point' despite him clearly defining what that point and/or return to baseless assertions to cover up his inability to refute a single thing I've said and/or whine about the length of this post. Either way, he will not honestly or logically refute a single significant point I've made.
Update: Aaron seems to think that me explaining a YEC position means I am a YEC. This is a testament to his logical ignorance and inability to read past the first sentence of what I write, since I also layed out an OEC position. So he's either being logically inconsistent or he didn't read past the first sentence. I am not a YEC. I have said this in this blog in my video and other places as well.